Part of letterboxing is looking for the "Gift" as Jay put it and following clues. Rating takes away from the responsibility of the finders to either do their home work on clues or failing to read clues properly. The rating system smacks of a system one would use on an information board listing letterboxes. Not finding some letterboxes is a part of letterboxing too and ranges of difficulty can enhance the search. Some folks may never try for a "difficult" clues box if it was rated as such ,while if left unrated they may look for and actually find it.The only exceptions that might need a rating would be information the placer could and should put in clues,i.e., wheelchair or stroller accessible, dog friendly or no dogs allowed, good for small children, etc.,etc.
Don
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Difficulty Ratings
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Started on 2004-01-14
Difficulty Ratings
From: Gwen & Don Jackson (foxsecurity@earthlink.net) |
Date: 2004-01-14 09:25:32 UTC-08:00
Re: [LbNA] Difficulty Ratings
From: Rayvenhaus (rayvenhaus@myndworx.com) |
Date: 2004-01-14 11:15:26 UTC-08:00
Well said Don and that is what not I am talking about. What I am 'building'
if you will, is a system for the placers to rate their boxes with, not some
haphazard way for everyone to rate a letterbox. I completely understand why
everyone does not want anyone else assigning a difficulty rating to my
boxes, that's my responsibility and right to do so. All I am asking is that
you all, as letterbox placers, share with me.
Please do not confuse this effort with any other database problem that
exists anywhere else. I do not want a database where anyone can say that a
letterbox is missing just because they can't find it.
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From: "Gwen & Don Jackson"
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Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:25 AM
Subject: [LbNA] Difficulty Ratings
> Part of letterboxing is looking for the "Gift" as Jay put it and following
clues. Rating takes away from the responsibility of the finders to either do
their home work on clues or failing to read clues properly. The rating
system smacks of a system one would use on an information board listing
letterboxes. Not finding some letterboxes is a part of letterboxing too and
ranges of difficulty can enhance the search. Some folks may never try for a
"difficult" clues box if it was rated as such ,while if left unrated they
may look for and actually find it.The only exceptions that might need a
rating would be information the placer could and should put in clues,i.e.,
wheelchair or stroller accessible, dog friendly or no dogs allowed, good for
small children, etc.,etc.
> Don
>
if you will, is a system for the placers to rate their boxes with, not some
haphazard way for everyone to rate a letterbox. I completely understand why
everyone does not want anyone else assigning a difficulty rating to my
boxes, that's my responsibility and right to do so. All I am asking is that
you all, as letterbox placers, share with me.
Please do not confuse this effort with any other database problem that
exists anywhere else. I do not want a database where anyone can say that a
letterbox is missing just because they can't find it.
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From: "Gwen & Don Jackson"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:25 AM
Subject: [LbNA] Difficulty Ratings
> Part of letterboxing is looking for the "Gift" as Jay put it and following
clues. Rating takes away from the responsibility of the finders to either do
their home work on clues or failing to read clues properly. The rating
system smacks of a system one would use on an information board listing
letterboxes. Not finding some letterboxes is a part of letterboxing too and
ranges of difficulty can enhance the search. Some folks may never try for a
"difficult" clues box if it was rated as such ,while if left unrated they
may look for and actually find it.The only exceptions that might need a
rating would be information the placer could and should put in clues,i.e.,
wheelchair or stroller accessible, dog friendly or no dogs allowed, good for
small children, etc.,etc.
> Don
>
Re: [LbNA] Difficulty Ratings
From: dave & diane (vonderinsel@cox.net) |
Date: 2004-01-14 15:53:09 UTC-05:00
Thank you for being understanding about this topic! I see the consideration of your attempt to help folks, though I'm afraid there's a subjective problem involved: Differing terrain. What is a '5' on a scale of 1-10 for difficult terrain? A wet, slippery, teetering rocky shoreline is no problem for some locals, and a 100-foot rockface is just part and parcel of some areas' hikes. Okay, so what's hard for a coastie may be just a '7', while the other is a '10', but then vice versa for a Rocky Mountain dude.
Often, verbage is a better descriptor, though it must guard against subjectivity and vagueness. Examples: Handicapped-accessible. Requires big steps for little legs, and a 6-foot drop at one point. 20-foot rocky hill at about a 45-degree angle. And definitely the length of the walk in miles or feet or leagues or whatever is good for guaging the amount of daylight you've got left.
Hopefully, especially with the quality of the clues, we all talk to the planter before we post anything non-complementary. Please tell me if there's any trouble with a "The von der Insels" box! I want everyone to enjoy my boxes without frustration!
Dave
von der Insel
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From: Rayvenhaus
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Difficulty Ratings
Well said Don and that is what not I am talking about. What I am 'building'
if you will, is a system for the placers to rate their boxes with, not some
haphazard way for everyone to rate a letterbox. I completely understand why
everyone does not want anyone else assigning a difficulty rating to my
boxes, that's my responsibility and right to do so. All I am asking is that
you all, as letterbox placers, share with me.
Please do not confuse this effort with any other database problem that
exists anywhere else. I do not want a database where anyone can say that a
letterbox is missing just because they can't find it.
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From: "Gwen & Don Jackson"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:25 AM
Subject: [LbNA] Difficulty Ratings
> Part of letterboxing is looking for the "Gift" as Jay put it and following
clues. Rating takes away from the responsibility of the finders to either do
their home work on clues or failing to read clues properly. The rating
system smacks of a system one would use on an information board listing
letterboxes. Not finding some letterboxes is a part of letterboxing too and
ranges of difficulty can enhance the search. Some folks may never try for a
"difficult" clues box if it was rated as such ,while if left unrated they
may look for and actually find it.The only exceptions that might need a
rating would be information the placer could and should put in clues,i.e.,
wheelchair or stroller accessible, dog friendly or no dogs allowed, good for
small children, etc.,etc.
> Don
>
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Often, verbage is a better descriptor, though it must guard against subjectivity and vagueness. Examples: Handicapped-accessible. Requires big steps for little legs, and a 6-foot drop at one point. 20-foot rocky hill at about a 45-degree angle. And definitely the length of the walk in miles or feet or leagues or whatever is good for guaging the amount of daylight you've got left.
Hopefully, especially with the quality of the clues, we all talk to the planter before we post anything non-complementary. Please tell me if there's any trouble with a "The von der Insels" box! I want everyone to enjoy my boxes without frustration!
Dave
von der Insel
----- Original Message -----
From: Rayvenhaus
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Difficulty Ratings
Well said Don and that is what not I am talking about. What I am 'building'
if you will, is a system for the placers to rate their boxes with, not some
haphazard way for everyone to rate a letterbox. I completely understand why
everyone does not want anyone else assigning a difficulty rating to my
boxes, that's my responsibility and right to do so. All I am asking is that
you all, as letterbox placers, share with me.
Please do not confuse this effort with any other database problem that
exists anywhere else. I do not want a database where anyone can say that a
letterbox is missing just because they can't find it.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gwen & Don Jackson"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:25 AM
Subject: [LbNA] Difficulty Ratings
> Part of letterboxing is looking for the "Gift" as Jay put it and following
clues. Rating takes away from the responsibility of the finders to either do
their home work on clues or failing to read clues properly. The rating
system smacks of a system one would use on an information board listing
letterboxes. Not finding some letterboxes is a part of letterboxing too and
ranges of difficulty can enhance the search. Some folks may never try for a
"difficult" clues box if it was rated as such ,while if left unrated they
may look for and actually find it.The only exceptions that might need a
rating would be information the placer could and should put in clues,i.e.,
wheelchair or stroller accessible, dog friendly or no dogs allowed, good for
small children, etc.,etc.
> Don
>
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Re: [LbNA] Difficulty Ratings
From: enders_angel_80 (enders_angel_80@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-01-14 23:13:54 UTC
I like that you're trying to make things easier for people, but it
sounds like an awful lot of work, especially if someone else already
has a rating system out there. I couldn't get the link to work so I
didn't get to see Silent Dougs system.
Plus after reading the replies, it seems like the more you try to
qualify something the more it's pointed out how that could be open
to intrupertation.
My mom, who got me into letterboxing previously injured herself and
now it is difficult for her to walk over uneven ground or to walk
for long distances any more. The injury has become degenerative and
will only get worse. So like we've pretty much stuck to areas that
we're familiar with so far. That way we already kind of know what to
expect in the way of difficulty of the location.
Since we always print out clues before we go, we have time in the
car to review them and kind of determine who difficult they are.
When we exhaust the local boxes or take any trips what we talked
about doing is making an accomodation to her injury by being ADVANCE
PLANNER type of letter boxers which means looking online for the
clues and then emailing the creator of the boxes we're going to look
for to explain the circumstances and limitations and ask for
additional input from them that they may not have wanted to be a
part of the clues since it would really only apply to a limited
number of people. Did any of that make sense?
Mystery is great and I understand what you are saying about it. I
also understand that not every box we go looking for will be found.
But for me the best part of the experience is enjoying being with my
mom. And like everyone else in the world, she's a lot more fun to be
around when she's not in pain! LOL
I guess it's just the way she raised me, but I guess if you don't
think the clues give enough information, then why not take some
personal responsibilty and inicetive and email the creator? Not that
they're obligated to reply or provide additional information. Maybe
that's where the replacement mystery and challenge comes from.
As far as what would be helpful to me personally, I think I agree
with the person who said use descriptive words instead of
numbers. "Soggy, uneven ground" is less open to interupertation than
say using the term "5 out of 10" would be. But that's just my
opinion.
Enders Angel
sounds like an awful lot of work, especially if someone else already
has a rating system out there. I couldn't get the link to work so I
didn't get to see Silent Dougs system.
Plus after reading the replies, it seems like the more you try to
qualify something the more it's pointed out how that could be open
to intrupertation.
My mom, who got me into letterboxing previously injured herself and
now it is difficult for her to walk over uneven ground or to walk
for long distances any more. The injury has become degenerative and
will only get worse. So like we've pretty much stuck to areas that
we're familiar with so far. That way we already kind of know what to
expect in the way of difficulty of the location.
Since we always print out clues before we go, we have time in the
car to review them and kind of determine who difficult they are.
When we exhaust the local boxes or take any trips what we talked
about doing is making an accomodation to her injury by being ADVANCE
PLANNER type of letter boxers which means looking online for the
clues and then emailing the creator of the boxes we're going to look
for to explain the circumstances and limitations and ask for
additional input from them that they may not have wanted to be a
part of the clues since it would really only apply to a limited
number of people. Did any of that make sense?
Mystery is great and I understand what you are saying about it. I
also understand that not every box we go looking for will be found.
But for me the best part of the experience is enjoying being with my
mom. And like everyone else in the world, she's a lot more fun to be
around when she's not in pain! LOL
I guess it's just the way she raised me, but I guess if you don't
think the clues give enough information, then why not take some
personal responsibilty and inicetive and email the creator? Not that
they're obligated to reply or provide additional information. Maybe
that's where the replacement mystery and challenge comes from.
As far as what would be helpful to me personally, I think I agree
with the person who said use descriptive words instead of
numbers. "Soggy, uneven ground" is less open to interupertation than
say using the term "5 out of 10" would be. But that's just my
opinion.
Enders Angel
Re: [LbNA] Difficulty Ratings
From: dave & diane (vonderinsel@cox.net) |
Date: 2004-01-15 07:25:58 UTC-05:00
Well spoken!
Dave
von der Insel
----- Original Message -----
From: enders_angel_80
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Difficulty Ratings
I like that you're trying to make things easier for people, but it
sounds like an awful lot of work, especially if someone else already
has a rating system out there. I couldn't get the link to work so I
didn't get to see Silent Dougs system.
Plus after reading the replies, it seems like the more you try to
qualify something the more it's pointed out how that could be open
to intrupertation.
My mom, who got me into letterboxing previously injured herself and
now it is difficult for her to walk over uneven ground or to walk
for long distances any more. The injury has become degenerative and
will only get worse. So like we've pretty much stuck to areas that
we're familiar with so far. That way we already kind of know what to
expect in the way of difficulty of the location.
Since we always print out clues before we go, we have time in the
car to review them and kind of determine who difficult they are.
When we exhaust the local boxes or take any trips what we talked
about doing is making an accomodation to her injury by being ADVANCE
PLANNER type of letter boxers which means looking online for the
clues and then emailing the creator of the boxes we're going to look
for to explain the circumstances and limitations and ask for
additional input from them that they may not have wanted to be a
part of the clues since it would really only apply to a limited
number of people. Did any of that make sense?
Mystery is great and I understand what you are saying about it. I
also understand that not every box we go looking for will be found.
But for me the best part of the experience is enjoying being with my
mom. And like everyone else in the world, she's a lot more fun to be
around when she's not in pain! LOL
I guess it's just the way she raised me, but I guess if you don't
think the clues give enough information, then why not take some
personal responsibilty and inicetive and email the creator? Not that
they're obligated to reply or provide additional information. Maybe
that's where the replacement mystery and challenge comes from.
As far as what would be helpful to me personally, I think I agree
with the person who said use descriptive words instead of
numbers. "Soggy, uneven ground" is less open to interupertation than
say using the term "5 out of 10" would be. But that's just my
opinion.
Enders Angel
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von der Insel
----- Original Message -----
From: enders_angel_80
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Difficulty Ratings
I like that you're trying to make things easier for people, but it
sounds like an awful lot of work, especially if someone else already
has a rating system out there. I couldn't get the link to work so I
didn't get to see Silent Dougs system.
Plus after reading the replies, it seems like the more you try to
qualify something the more it's pointed out how that could be open
to intrupertation.
My mom, who got me into letterboxing previously injured herself and
now it is difficult for her to walk over uneven ground or to walk
for long distances any more. The injury has become degenerative and
will only get worse. So like we've pretty much stuck to areas that
we're familiar with so far. That way we already kind of know what to
expect in the way of difficulty of the location.
Since we always print out clues before we go, we have time in the
car to review them and kind of determine who difficult they are.
When we exhaust the local boxes or take any trips what we talked
about doing is making an accomodation to her injury by being ADVANCE
PLANNER type of letter boxers which means looking online for the
clues and then emailing the creator of the boxes we're going to look
for to explain the circumstances and limitations and ask for
additional input from them that they may not have wanted to be a
part of the clues since it would really only apply to a limited
number of people. Did any of that make sense?
Mystery is great and I understand what you are saying about it. I
also understand that not every box we go looking for will be found.
But for me the best part of the experience is enjoying being with my
mom. And like everyone else in the world, she's a lot more fun to be
around when she's not in pain! LOL
I guess it's just the way she raised me, but I guess if you don't
think the clues give enough information, then why not take some
personal responsibilty and inicetive and email the creator? Not that
they're obligated to reply or provide additional information. Maybe
that's where the replacement mystery and challenge comes from.
As far as what would be helpful to me personally, I think I agree
with the person who said use descriptive words instead of
numbers. "Soggy, uneven ground" is less open to interupertation than
say using the term "5 out of 10" would be. But that's just my
opinion.
Enders Angel
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